Running Only 6 Plays

[Michura]

The reason people object to it in Madden because Madden has very high-percentage plays due to inadequate and faulty AI as well as gameplay mechanics. That's not the case with real life football. In real life football, if you keep doing the same thing over and over, individual players will adapt. They will jump routes, shade receivers differently, play the gaps differently. This just isn't the case in Madden. We are very limited in our control of our players. Sure, we can control one player but the other 10 are still dumb.

In Madden, if someone knows your exact playart, it can still be a very successful play if you are good enough to make your read. That's not gonna happen often in the NFL unless the other team is the Rams or something.

[sgibs]

The reason people object to it in Madden because Madden has very high-percentage plays due to inadequate and faulty AI as well as gameplay mechanics. That's not the case with real life football. In real life football, if you keep doing the same thing over and over, individual players will adapt. They will jump routes, shade receivers differently, play the gaps differently. This just isn't the case in Madden. We are very limited in our control of our players. Sure, we can control one player but the other 10 are still dumb.

In Madden, if someone knows your exact playart, it can still be a very successful play if you are good enough to make your read. That's not gonna happen often in the NFL unless the other team is the Rams or something.

couldnt agree more

technology limits? not sure

[MemphisDan]

I think most coaches still tell their players, it doesn't matter if they know the play we're running- it's how you execute. Most division rivals know their opponents plays and formations. They study the film and know where to key.

It was like this in the Lombardi days of the 'Power Sweep' and it's still stands today.

[sgibs]

i think this is a HUGE point we all miss ^

i hear this a lot...

he ran one play all game - it was such BS.

if you knew what we was doing - stop it - gotta execute better.

thoughts?

[GREENERRRR]

Lets lots not confuse the issue - they are running only 6 plays because their QB is a rookie and they dont think he can learn more than that and execute... IF he could learn more - you be damn sure that they would give them to him...

Its common for freestyle players to quote an uncommon reference - which is far from what typically happens in the NFL and then use this obscure happenstance as something they should be able to do all the time - and pass it off as SIM...

The example you explained is 1 of 32 teams (in this season which is a small sample size) - for something to be common place - it has to happen more then that... What your describing is a 1 off annomally (which has less headway because the team would prefer to run more plays but cant b/c of the QBs experience...) - You may have a point if they only run 6 plays with this same QB FOR THE REST OF HIS CAREER - but we all know thats not gonna happen...

Just because something happens once in a while in the NFL - doesnt mean that it is SIM - I dont know if there is a formula to say how much something has to occur before its SIM - but its like what Justice Stewart said when asked to define HARD CORE PORNOGRAPHY:

I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced as "hard-core pornography" and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that...

The same can be said about SIM and UNSIM play - its tough to define BUT I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT - and running 6 plays in an entire game IS NOT SIM!

[InfantSorrow96]

Personally I feel people forget what the word game means. We all are trying to win. If Running 20 plays gives you the best chance to win... Do it. If running the whole play book gives you the best chance to win... Do it. In my opinion "sim players" are equivalent to "role players" in an mmo meaning that they are annoying nerds. Stop confusing real life with a game.

[GREENERRRR]

In my opinion "sim players" are equivalent to "role players" in an mmo meaning that they are annoying nerds. Stop confusing real life with a game.

well u know what they say about opinions...

And this is the exact reason why SIM and FREESTYLE guys cant play each other - its better for me to keep playn in my highly successful leagues where we can dictate what is acceptably SIM and if you dont like it, you can play elsewhere!!!!-

Conversely, freestylers can do whatever they want in the lobbies - I have given the lobbies compeletly over to the them - I am all good with that!

GL in your madden year - Hope its enjoyable for you...

[GiantNFC7]

Beef does not cause diabetes. My daughter is type 1, trust me, beef is not a cause.


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Yes sir, my girlfriend has type 1 as well. Been on the pump since she was 9 (she's 26). She has to stay away from Nitrates (hot dogs & sausages). Other then that she's good to go with other beef. GAV as usual throwing things out there. He's like a mild Skip Bayless.

[GiantNFC7]

And once you've beaten it, he'll keep running it anyways and you end up dropping 50+ on his defense.

I see what you did there....

[Michura]

i think this is a HUGE point we all miss ^

i hear this a lot...

he ran one play all game - it was such BS.

if you knew what we was doing - stop it - gotta execute better.

thoughts?

The problem isn't just stopping it. It's stopping it 3-4 times in a row. Some plays have so many good options that something will be open regardless how well the defense was executed. The defense could be executed perfectly but it won't matter if the offense is just executed adequately. And if the plays get you 10+ every time you succeed, then the offense only has to succeed 25% of the time to keep the chains moving.

Then there are versions of Madden in which you have to commit so many resources just to stop one thing, like the rocket catch or the spectacular catch in 08. This sort of thing really messes up the defense because something has to be left open.

[Ty CRAIN 92]

It was like this in the Lombardi days of the 'Power Sweep' and it's still stands today.

this is true. i love in that 70's show where red has all the family and kids outside and they created the power sweep formation and he said something like if you run the power sweep correctly it's unstoppable. ****s funny.

[iBELIEVEinEL1]

How many plays you use solely depends on the skill of the opposing defence. If you have a solid scheme, against a good defensive player it might work well for the first half, but midway through the third quarter a good defence will get into the head of a scheme offence. Defensive minded players should be able to make an educated guess on what the offensive is going to do based on the tendencies that they displayed in the first half. This causes scheme offences to get more creative in tight games down the stretch. I don't think that any good defensive player would allow an offence to steadily put up points against them running out of the same set the entire game. In order to be versatile enough to beat a skilled play-caller, you have to be able to run and pass out of ideally 3 sets.

[GiantNFC7]

Here is my problem: I go into playbook overload where I almost psych myself out at times because there's so much content to choose from. For instance, last night I was all excited to use the NO book that I labbed the other night, but then out of nowhere I decided to use NE and the Giants book because I saw a few formations that were appealing to me. So in essence, I wasted my time one night with the N.O book running routes and designing plays because I saw something sexier. I need to stay focused because I also go rogue at times (Gibs, been reading the guide--good stuff) and get off plan. There's concepts that i've used yearly that work but I get too cute at times. If I can simplify it to a few set plays i'm sure i'd better. I'm my own worst enemy. To summarize, I need better Madden organizational skills.

[luvvjoy]

6 plays maybe but with sooo many variations. You can run one formation so many ways based off what the defense is showing.

[MaddThotz22]

Small hand full of man beaters, zone beaters, three-headed rushing attack and two or three mini-schemes and "specials" for situations. It's not about variety but about balance and effectiveness.