Oakland Raiders Playbook Discussion

[BigB]

The Book is great. looked through some of it and cant wait to add what I learned so far to my O.

Ok I cant find a play that BigB is talking about in his SB section. its I-Form 3WRs HB check Down I dont see that play in Oak PB. I see 966 H Flat no HB Check Down.

Look in the strong slot or singleback twin te's.

[BigB]

I just purchased the book last night, but I haven't really had a chance to sit down and really read it yet. I read Big B's Singleback Scheme earlier today and it looked pretty impressive. I'm really going to buckle down this weekend and start to work with it. The good thing about Big B's breakdown is that it also can work with other playbooks, because currently I am using Minnesota's playbook.

Thank you dawg. You have the idea and know what was being done here. The reason why I showed that scheme was for many reason. One, the orutes you get and can pull in and out of this set NO OTHER PLAYBOOK allows you to do this. There are routes that off the snap you can throw and no one can cover them. (This will be showed in the filmroom or in the Seattle/Det. playbook.) Then to be able to formation shift a running play from any of the singleback sets and hide them is tight also. When you follow ANY guide I write you can walk with it with other books. Thanks for the shout out.

[BigB]

Big b / Kobra-

I picked up the guide last night, great work... I can tell you guys put a lot of effort into this. I havent had too much time to read through it yet, but I did look over Big B's SB scheme. Needless to say, I do pretty much the exact same thing with the Washington PB, instead I use the SB Bunch, Stack Weak and Stack Doubles. One of the things that really seems to stand out between these types of sets in the Skins PB vs. the Raiders PB is the fact that the Skins book seems to have a lot better run plays. More slams and dives (quick developing runs).

After skimming through the Oakland PB I dont see many of these. In fact the only way to get a Slam in the Bunch or the Tight is to form shift from SB BIg, but then I have 2 TEs (which is great for running, but takes a bit away from the passing game).

In reading Big B's posts and books I know that he isnt too fond of the Wash PB becasue of the LACK of protection. Without labbing yet, it seems to me that I will have a problem with running out of the OAk PB in the SB Bunch and Tight sets. I know that Big B preaches on being able to run and passs out of the same form, and I was wondering if you guys were really able to get a good run game going out of these sets??

I also showed a counter, dive, and a slam. Now there are tosses in these singleback sets also. So I would like to ask is how many running plays do you need?

[BigB]

I am able to run out of the tight, but I have to run counters, traps, and stretch plays. I am not a big fan of running compressed sets when trying to run the ball inside because it brings to many defenders closer to the ball carrier. I prefer to go outside where no defenders are at. Now if my opponent leaves the defenders outside while I am running a compressed set, then I will look to run inside because there are more run blockers than defenders.

Kobra

In the pic below, look at where the CBs are lined up outside. This is when I tend to run inside.

This is the key to running out of the compression. When the DB's stya outside you pound up the gut, and if they draw in you take it inside. Then you run certain plays when you read bump and run, zone, and man. These things come to you when you lab the ways many people defend the run.

[BigB]

i bought the book last night. flipped through it, didnt really have time to sit down and read it all. looks great! you guys really put alot of work into these! thanks!

a suggestion: in your next book, think about including more schemes (like bigbs). you no doubt do a great job of breaking down plays, but i think for many people it would also be helpful to including some kind of play call scheme, or kinda like what plays to call to set up other plays. much of this can be derived from the book on our own i guess, and you do go into it somewhat, but something as specific as bigbs singleback scheme (for other sets) would be helpful nonetheless. like if you were going to run weak i tight twins much of the game, "how" would you run it. this is only a suggestion, and maybe im asking too much of your already great products. im sure once i get to sit down and really read it ill be even more amazed.

Your not really. The thing is that everyone uses there own hot routes and can look at a play from the playcalling screne and guess at how it will work vs. man or zone. The thing is how will these plays work together when ran in a scheme. Just like a defensive playbook many are more interested in schemes tnan set-ups. You have been reading my mind all this year dagw. LOL

[StopPlying]

Look in the strong slot or singleback twin te's.

Found it its in SB Slot Strong

[oouie433]

Man,

I didn't know how NASTY oakland's playbook was until I labbed it last night before I got on line for the first time. Good stuff VG.

[Kobra]

I think once you really look into the playbook you will see how good it really it is. When I first looked at when I first got the game, I didn't think that much of it, mainly because it had only one Shotgun formation in it. However after looking at in October after B told me to look at it again, I was pretty amazed. Once I started to really lab it, I was impressed, that's why I stuck with it for the last 4 months.

Kobra

[oouie433]

I think once you really look into the playbook you will see how good it really it is. When I first looked at when I first got the game, I didn't think that much of it, mainly because it had only one Shotgun formation in it. However after looking at in October after B told me to look at it again, I was pretty amazed. Once I started to really lab it, I was impressed, that's why I stuck with it for the last 4 months.

Kobra

yeah,

I've been using seattles playbook and was gonna hold out on buying oaklands playbook since I saw ya'll was gonna put out a seattle playbook. But when I saw that post you put up with the table of contents for oaklands, I said it was worth the money. And like I said, when I started labbing the playbook based on your's and Big B's concepts (I changed a couple of plays that you had listed to run diff than you had them, more to my liking), I really see why you guys stuck with this book as one of your favorites. Still gonna get seattle's playbook when it's done though (maybe ).

Like I said, good stuff.....

[bearsfan217]

i just got the book as well, and im kinda confused about Pulling routes from one play and using it in another? I couldnt find where it explained it in the book without giving it away to those who havent purchased, can someone (BigB, Kobra or whoever) explain to me how to do this? Or just tell me what section in the playbook explains it would be great. THanks

[slvrNblck Rdr]

No, I don't run default run plays from the Singleback Tight. I like to come in another formation and then formation shift to the Singleback Tight. For instance I will call the Singleback Big HB Counter, then formation shift to the Singleback Tight. If its man, I normally will motion the WR away from the side I plan to run. That way I have one less defender to deal with once the ball is snapped. For this to work, you need a few good pass plays so your opponent wont cheat to stop the counter.

Kobra

Kobra,

Thx for your quick answer, and let me ask a related question. Do you have a formation shift or audible to call your running play, when you come out with a Single Tight formation pass play such as WR option, and you figure that you wana audible to a run play?

[StopPlying]

i just got the book as well, and im kinda confused about Pulling routes from one play and using it in another? I couldnt find where it explained it in the book without giving it away to those who havent purchased, can someone (BigB, Kobra or whoever) explain to me how to do this? Or just tell me what section in the playbook explains it would be great. THanks

its in BigBs Compresion book

[slvrNblck Rdr]

Kobra and BigB,

I purchased the Oakland Playbook and I’ve only read a few sections so far, but I’ve already learned a lot of good stuff. I now recognized that I was just not effectively using some of formations you guys break down. You guys really put a lot of hard work and effort into this playbook. Huge Thanks, and pls be ready for my questions when I read more sections.

[slvrNblck Rdr]

i just got the book as well, and im kinda confused about Pulling routes from one play and using it in another? I couldnt find where it explained it in the book without giving it away to those who havent purchased, can someone (BigB, Kobra or whoever) explain to me how to do this? Or just tell me what section in the playbook explains it would be great. THanks

Are you talking about the play in "Big B's Singleback Scheme" section?

[Kobra]

i just got the book as well, and im kinda confused about Pulling routes from one play and using it in another? I couldnt find where it explained it in the book without giving it away to those who havent purchased, can someone (BigB, Kobra or whoever) explain to me how to do this? Or just tell me what section in the playbook explains it would be great. THanks

Check your PM box.

Kobra