Theory of Quarters Stopping The Run

[mystkh]

OK I understand the theory: Faster DB's hit the gaps faster than the O-Line can react, thus getting in the backfield faster. But in reality, Bigger O-line should be pounding the monkey snot out of these guys....

Should I just run between the tackles? I get stopped swinging to the outside.

[dmac2brown46]

i found thay it works to use hb slam out of singleback against this.


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[sideoutshu]

ya, one thing I find really annoying about this game it that the tackles don't absolutely FLATTEN the DB's in the quarter defense. I mean these guys should be leaving the field injured.

I use the Ravens, and if someone comes out in quarters, I should be able to run the ball right up Johnathan Odgen's back for 5 yards every time. No 220 lb. FIFTH STRING corner back is going to beat them to take down Jamal Lewis(at least not in the REAL NFL.)

[KMaseBX]

I don't know I find it easy to run against quarters no matter who I am using. I line up in the I Form Twin WR and HB Blast all day, whether it's the Broncos, Giants, Jags or another random team I might use.

[jerseyjay14]

OK I understand the theory: Faster DB's hit the gaps faster than the O-Line can react, thus getting in the backfield faster. But in reality, Bigger O-line should be pounding the monkey snot out of these guys....

Should I just run between the tackles? I get stopped swinging to the outside.

why wouldnt you run inside? lets examine the quarters defense, 3 downlineman and 1 linebacker ...thats 4 inside the box with 5-7 offenive players to block thema t the point of attack...sounds like hte way to go...

runnign outside you are looking at 2-3 dbs at the point of attack, and a safety or 2 coming over from deep without anyone to impeed him and just 2-3 blocker whoa re abole to get out on the edge... much lower lieklyhood of an openinig

[dmac2brown46]

ya, one thing I find really annoying about this game it that the tackles don't absolutely FLATTEN the DB's in the quarter defense. I mean these guys should be leaving the field injured.

I use the Ravens, and if someone comes out in quarters, I should be able to run the ball right up Johnathan Odgen's back for 5 yards every time. No 220 lb. FIFTH STRING corner back is going to beat them to take down Jamal Lewis(at least not in the REAL NFL.)

agreed.....

[jerseyjay14]

-EA needs to fix the blocking schemes to the o-line
-running up the gut may not always work if the d comes out in dime and the LB is stacked on top of the DT.

it depends where and how you run... if the defense overloads a certain area...weather its with a safety, lb, lineman, or corner, its going to be successful against the run.

people get too caught up in "quarters stops the run, dime stops the run"

formations dont stop the run, having players in the right positions and at the right angles is what stops the run. i can runa ll over the 46 bear and 46 defense if the defense isnt shifting the right way or positioned correctly... inf act i find the 46 bear the easiest formation in the game to run on. mostly because people dont know how to effectively positon their players to stop certainr uns and offensive formations.


there is nothing "ea needs to do to fix it" what needs ot happen is people need ot educate themselve son why run certain run plays are successful vs certain formations, and why certian defensive alignmetns and positioning can be effective vs the run.

tot ake an extreme example... if i come out in a 46 defense and put all 11 players on the right sidelien by the WR you wont have much trouble running the ball will you? despite the fact that im in the 46.

yet if i come out in quarters and put all 11 guys in front of the gaurds and centers an hb dive isnt going anywhere despite me having "just small dbs on the field

positiong, angle, point of attack, blocking schemes, this is what makes running effective or get shut down. not personell

[smoothballer]

it depends where and how you run... if the defense overloads a certain area...weather its with a safety, lb, lineman, or corner, its going to be successful against the run.

people get too caught up in "quarters stops the run, dime stops the run"

formations dont stop the run, having players in the right positions and at the right angles is what stops the run. i can runa ll over the 46 bear and 46 defense if the defense isnt shifting the right way or positioned correctly... inf act i find the 46 bear the easiest formation in the game to run on. mostly because people dont know how to effectively positon their players to stop certainr uns and offensive formations.


there is nothing "ea needs to do to fix it" what needs ot happen is people need ot educate themselve son why run certain run plays are successful vs certain formations, and why certian defensive alignmetns and positioning can be effective vs the run.

tot ake an extreme example... if i come out in a 46 defense and put all 11 players on the right sidelien by the WR you wont have much trouble running the ball will you? despite the fact that im in the 46.

yet if i come out in quarters and put all 11 guys in front of the gaurds and centers an hb dive isnt going anywhere despite me having "just small dbs on the field

positiong, angle, point of attack, blocking schemes, this is what makes running effective or get shut down. not personell

word......

[mystkh]

it depends where and how you run... if the defense overloads a certain area...weather its with a safety, lb, lineman, or corner, its going to be successful against the run.

people get too caught up in "quarters stops the run, dime stops the run"

formations dont stop the run, having players in the right positions and at the right angles is what stops the run. i can runa ll over the 46 bear and 46 defense if the defense isnt shifting the right way or positioned correctly... inf act i find the 46 bear the easiest formation in the game to run on. mostly because people dont know how to effectively positon their players to stop certainr uns and offensive formations.


there is nothing "ea needs to do to fix it" what needs ot happen is people need ot educate themselve son why run certain run plays are successful vs certain formations, and why certian defensive alignmetns and positioning can be effective vs the run.

tot ake an extreme example... if i come out in a 46 defense and put all 11 players on the right sidelien by the WR you wont have much trouble running the ball will you? despite the fact that im in the 46.

yet if i come out in quarters and put all 11 guys in front of the gaurds and centers an hb dive isnt going anywhere despite me having "just small dbs on the field

positiong, angle, point of attack, blocking schemes, this is what makes running effective or get shut down. not personell

okay...that does makes sense.... as always Jersey, the voice of reason...

[sling]

yea it makes sense in madden terms but its still completely unreallistic.

[jerseyjay14]

yea it makes sense in madden terms but its still completely unreallistic.

what is unrealistic about it? having more guys at the point of attack then the offense will often result in a lack of produciton in the run game... weather its 2 LBs or 2 CBs on the field on the edges.

[zerowley]

yea it makes sense in madden terms but its still completely unreallistic.

How so? Running slams or dives against nine in the box isn't going to be successful regardless of the size/weight of the players.

[jerseyjay14]

How so? Running slams or dives against nine in the box isn't going to be successful regardless of the size/weight of the players.

i will also add that in the NFL people dont play quarters with 9 in the box.... but thats because in the NFL they dont play quarters much at all! not against the runa nd not against the pass... not evn in third and long. 95% of nfl games are played without quarters personell ever comingon the field

[Chi3fed]

it depends where and how you run... if the defense overloads a certain area...weather its with a safety, lb, lineman, or corner, its going to be successful against the run.

people get too caught up in "quarters stops the run, dime stops the run"

formations dont stop the run, having players in the right positions and at the right angles is what stops the run. i can runa ll over the 46 bear and 46 defense if the defense isnt shifting the right way or positioned correctly... inf act i find the 46 bear the easiest formation in the game to run on. mostly because people dont know how to effectively positon their players to stop certainr uns and offensive formations.


there is nothing "ea needs to do to fix it" what needs ot happen is people need ot educate themselve son why run certain run plays are successful vs certain formations, and why certian defensive alignmetns and positioning can be effective vs the run.

tot ake an extreme example... if i come out in a 46 defense and put all 11 players on the right sidelien by the WR you wont have much trouble running the ball will you? despite the fact that im in the 46.

yet if i come out in quarters and put all 11 guys in front of the gaurds and centers an hb dive isnt going anywhere despite me having "just small dbs on the field

positiong, angle, point of attack, blocking schemes, this is what makes running effective or get shut down. not personell

While I do agree with your philosophical aspect of how to attack with the running game, the one thing I disagree on is where EA needs to fix something. The blocking AI is horrible, and should be fixed. Tony Richardson does not run past a linebacker to attack a safety, It just doesnt happen.

[leftwichtdjx]

this is a little off subject but can any one give me the history why they named the defence after money like quaters dime and nickle ... and why dont they have dollor and penny and half dollar coverages