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[BigB]

What about running out of the compression. That is one thing that has hindered my running of the compression o. If I want to get my run game going I got to run it out of other formations, and that only works for a little while because then I become predictable. I can't run mostly because in he comp. o my tackles consistently get beat and the ends get into the backfield fast. If I try to run up the middle it just gets clogged and I end up losing yards. Any advice for this situation, I use ATL.

I use the slam out of singleback big, FB dives and tosses when I'm running 2 back. I also throw in a screen or two.

[BigB]

Anybody heard from big b yet its getting closer to end of the month.

BigB is back on the boards slim. Been mad busy.

[GodSon20]

Hey Big B. First off all id just like to say that this compression 301 book owns. I read everything in the book and I tried creating a scheme out of the Singleback-Bunch TE which is exclusively in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers playbook. I got 2 run plays and about 3 pass plays that attack different areas of the feild. What im having trouble with is the Post snap pass progressions. I have a problem of getting sacked alot. When i drop to pass i have a real problem with knowing in what order my checkdowns go. Do you always look at the flats first ??? After that does it go by which reciever finishes their route first ?? I hope I havent confused you. Please help me out. Thanks.

[daone]

Godson, till you get better try this

let the cpu drop back, and as soon as the qb steps forward make your throw

my reads go like so,

Safeties (2 deep, cover 1 etc.)

LBs (man or zone)

This breaks the field in thirds horizontally and is pretty simple

[GodSon20]

Thanks daone. I was just wondering how come you look at the safeties first since majority of blitzes come from the linebackers ?

[hollywood 662]

hey man i read flat middle and up top, its according to how your routes work. Most times i read flat middle up top. On other plays i may read a little different according to how my routes open up or according to how he is playing me and who he is sitting on. EX: sb bunch te i may start off running the drive i'll put my slot on a slant to the outside, streak my fl, and leave my te as is. I really want the slant to the outside or the flat route, but if the guy is sitting on the ss and dropping down i'll bust him with the streak. If he starts bnr i'll form shift wk twins slants and run the unbump across the middle but i still have the flats to the bunch side.

[daone]

Thanks daone. I was just wondering how come you look at the safeties first since majority of blitzes come from the linebackers ?

when are you more likely to quit blitzing?

after a 60 yard bomb, or a 5 yard flat pass?

hey man i read flat middle and up top, its according to how your routes work. Most times i read flat middle up top. On other plays i may read a little different according to how my routes open up or according to how he is playing me and who he is sitting on. EX: sb bunch te i may start off running the drive i'll put my slot on a slant to the outside, streak my fl, and leave my te as is. I really want the slant to the outside or the flat route, but if the guy is sitting on the ss and dropping down i'll bust him with the streak. If he starts bnr i'll form shift wk twins slants and run the unbump across the middle but i still have the flats to the bunch side.

exactly...in some schemes I read in different orders

[BigB]

1st off ask any question you want slim. I also want to thank you for spending you hard earn cash on the guide. Now let's get to your problem. You also read the flats 1st. this is key because of man press and heat. The flats are very hard to cover. Now in this stage of the game people are getting cafty with there flat coverage. What you have to do is wen you hike the ball look at the middle to see if anyone flare out to the flats. If they do then you have a weakness in the middle. Which is you next progression. Now from the hike you look for anyone to flare, then you look to see if there is anyone in th middle lurking. This is what people do when they run all coverage is lurk the middle. Once I do that you then read deep. Now if any heat is coming you need to rip the flats and work the middle. Like slants flat combo. If you read that section you will see why this one work better. Now if you have someone lurking like I said you need to have some crosiing routes to keep them busy. Drags, slants, post, and corner routes. When you make you deep read because you run an overload someone will come free. I always have a deep streak for those that like to drop down with the safety. Pass progression take time to get down because many of us lock onto one person. Once you know your routes vs. man press and zone you will become better with you reads. You will know when certain routes will release. Then pratice the DB shade. This is when guys pull people inside. Make sure you have aback that has ver 90 speed working them flats. You see players like Bush out run the coverage all day long. Once you bat them flats up the middle will come open. If the middle is getting lurked you need to send more than one route at them. This will hold them for you to work deep routes. I also suggest having a SL working a streak. The reason why is that everyone is over extending the safeties. You will have room to work with in the seams if they dip down with safety.

[themenace47]

Thanks daone. I was just wondering how come you look at the safeties first since majority of blitzes come from the linebackers ?

the safeties often times give away the entire play...

watching the lbs opens up a whole new can of worms... the lineman can easily drop into lbs zones... safeties too, but anybody scrambling to get deep is probably burned from the get-go.

both safteties coming up near the tes and rbs all but gaurantees man on the wideouts with no help deep. 90% of the time you know you are under immediate pressure since its not sound strategy to leave your dbs in 1 on 1 coverage and not generate some pressure...

you are taking a huge risk throwing over the middle when you have 1 safety roaming, plus you know you are most likely being blitzed again and facing man on the outsides or the cbs are dropping deep, either way you are looking to exploit the areas they vacate.

when you face a 2 deep zone you now have an opportunity to quickly cash in... as thats a lot of field for 2 guys... especially when they arent usually the fastest guys on the defense. post+streak or corner and let the safety decide who he wants to be open. either way 1 will be open.

man2 is what you see alot of because its effective...against the deeper passes. facing this defense you will probably have more time, and you can also get your qb on the move. look for the mlbs assignment because he has a lot of ground to cover and a lot of obstacles in his way. if you can get an olb to cross the field trying to stay with his rb chances are he wont get there in time.

at any rate you can make these reads quickly by surveying the safeties but i look at the cbs or lbs next depending which area im trying to pick on.

the weaknesses of man3, cover3 zone, 4deep "safe" and other great coverage schemes is that you have a long time to wait for guys to get open and find holes since the pressure is not there.

ultimately it depends what your play is... some plays you'll be attempting to pick on the flat and you will only need to see the cb's reaction, others you'll need to see who else is coming over.

if you are going to attack the middle you see who's lurking around and you could send multiple guys in the area at different depths and hi-lo them (make them choose 1). often times you just wanna look elsewhere when its too crowded.

i like to blitz a lot and suprise my opp by dropping into "buzz weak" but i get burned at times because of the time.

[daone]

pretty much

also, I read flats first in some schemes (the ones where the emphasis is the flats)

[MaddenSensa]

Im just to lazy to run the route, or I dont read the defensive schemes correctly and I dont or do use it at the wrong time.

[GreatLike5Lakes]

Hey its me Godson20 again. I changed my name to avoid confusion with the other godson. Anywayz I switched to next Gen and I have been having alot of trouble adjusting my offense. I guess since there is no formation shifts and r stick audibles that took away ALOT of my creativity on offense. Is the Compression style Offense still dominant on Next Gen ???

[lottoman]

good deal

[BigDaddy4423]

Without the formation shifting it limits your offense a TON if you want to run compressed sets all game long. Last year, I absolutely couldn't be stopped on offense. Was scoring 40-50 a game on ANYONE. Sold my Sea PB for a ton. The problem is that last year, even the sets that weren't "compressed" could easily be formation shifted to make a compressed set. This year, you either have a compressed set or you don't, except for the plays that you can make compressed through the use of motion. But, it just sucks that EA has limited the playbooks by getting rid of the formation shifts. It basically cut each PB down by 75% of the plays!!! unbelieveable fumble by EA!!!!

[BigB]

Hey its me Godson20 again. I changed my name to avoid confusion with the other godson. Anywayz I switched to next Gen and I have been having alot of trouble adjusting my offense. I guess since there is no formation shifts and r stick audibles that took away ALOT of my creativity on offense. Is the Compression style Offense still dominant on Next Gen ???

Yes it is. The thing is that we just need to understand what the AI is giving you and what it won't. You still have offensive overloads. Now on the NG you have no man lock on or off. This put you right back to where we came from. If they come out in zone or man you will know right off the bat. I feel motion will be used more than before because of no formation shifts. I will do a guide this year regarding the compression and the spread.