*** Official '07 Seattle Playbook Discussion***

[evad04]

Okay guys, I've heard a lot about BNR, 2 man under defenses. In all honesty, these defenses give me the most trouble, too. If you play against a defensive front with the likes of Peppers, Kearse, Freeney, Suggs and company, then this simple 4 man pass rush can give you headaches. So, the last few games I have been experimenting with some different routes. It turns out I have found some gems in some formations I haven't fully utilized. I play a lot with Green Bay so protection is always a problem, which means a lot of my passing game is quick developing. That said, I'll show you some ways to use motion and get the most out of this playbook.

Against BNR Man to Man (i.e. 46- 2 Man Under, 4-3- 2 Man Under)

The first set of plays focus on attacking man lock on. The defense is not attempting to disguise their defense... but they're gonna bump you and roam the field.

I-Form Twins: Curls
We are going to change virtually every route from this formation, but I pick this play because of the FB's flat route. *You may want to sub in your 2nd HB at FB, unless you have a fast FB.

1.) Hot route the SE (far left receiver) on a streak, put the SL receiver on a slant to the inside
2.) Motion the HB to the right, hot route on an In route.
*3.) The TE is the wildcard. We can put him on an in, out, streak, or leave him on his own route. I usually streak him (to pull coverage) or leave his route. You just want to be careful not to clog the middle, as we hit the SL's slant a lot of the time.

You will know the defense is in man lock if the two WRs have CBs on them, and someone is lined up in front of the HB to the far right. If no one is lined up on the HB, then put him on a hitch route and snap and throw.

Anyway, if the play is setup, this is what should happen: The SE should help pull coverage from the FS. If your opponent sells out underneath and tries to go towards the slant, then you can hit your SE deep on a 1 on 1 for an easy 6 points. The slant this year, IMO, is AWFUL against regular man coverage, but is EXCELLENT against BNR. The first thing I look at after the snap is what kind of position my SL receiver is in after the bump. If he gets inside position and there isn't a LB in the middle of the field, then the slant is there all day. Also, we want to examine why we put the HB out wide. Two reasons: 1.) To set a pick or "rub" for the FB's flat route, 2.) To allow us to run the FB Dive from time to time. The FB should free up nicely when the HB's defender rubs with the FB's defender.

This is a basic play. If the defense sells out and tries to get you underneath, then take them out with the deep ball. Streaks KILL BNR this year. Slants KILL BNR this year. Using motion in this play helps open up a flat route. Rocket science? Nope. But neither is 2 Man Under + BNR.

...more in next post

[evad04]

I Form-Twin WR: TE Option
The In/out option routes work great against man coverage. They have for a while now. But, if you bump them, then lose their effectiveness, especially for a ploddingly slow TE like Bubba Franks (although this guy is 6'6, so he's clutch for me). But with a simple use of motion, we're gonna free the option route up and get our yards.

AGAIN... this is for attacking MAN LOCK defenses. We use a compression set (twin receivers) to help get a man/zone read. This write up is specifically for attacking man defense with BNR, + man lock. If the defense is freezing their D to hide coverage then I will show different ways to attack the defense.

1.) Motion the HB to the right. He should pull coverage to the outside and leave the guy defending the TE offset to our left.
2.) You can do something with the SL or SE as well... but you don't have to. I always reccommend slants, deep ins and streaks.

After the snap the TE will almost ALWAYS do an out to the right. There will be no bump. You get some nice easy yards here, usually about 5 to 10.
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I Form-Twin WR: PA Boot Corner
This play has a very effective bump-beating route: the z-route run by the SE.

1.) Cancel play action by hot routing the HB on a streak

We deliver the throw to the SE after he has broken the bump and taken nice inside position. This is one you gotta do with your thumbs... my words don't help much. Get in the lab and practice this play... its about timing. This route actually works a lot better against the bump then normally.

For different looks you can formation shift to I-Form Normal and run the play the same. (Formation **** + Left)
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Singleback-Big: PA Boot Roll (version 1)

We apply the same methodology with this play. We are gonna cancel the PA, motion the HB to the right and put him on a streak. This is nice, again, because it puts the deep ball firmly into the play. If the guy you're playing against tries to snuff it out underneath take it over his head.

1.) Cancel PA, motion HB to the right, put on streak

The route by TE1 (right side) always gets nice separation. The motion took away the BNR. Also, TE2's route is nice and gets open from time to time.
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Singleback-Big: PA Boot Roll (version 2)

1.) Cancel PA, motion TE1 (on right side) to the left.
2.) Hot route the SE (left WR) on a fade, and TE2 on an out

Reads: You can do a few things here. You can fire a quick pass to TE1. This takes practice and can be risky if you overthrow it. I reccommend going with the other read: TE2 on his out route. TE1's route creates some nice confusion and sets a pick for TE2 to get open. Nothing fancy, just a nice 6-10 yard gainer.

[evad04]

I-Form-Normal: Mid Attack (version 1)
Quick pass. I don't use many of them, and this one isn't that effective but is a nice change of pace against that pesky opponent who bumps every damn play.

1.) Formation shift to I Form Twin WR (formation shift + right)
*2.) Hot route the SL WR on a slant. In all probability you won't throw to anyone else but the FB, as this is a designed quick pass. But hey, if you don't feel like throwing it at the last second then have a slant ready

Snap it and wait until the FB is a few yards away then throw it high. Again, this takes PRACTICE. If your opponent is in man lock on then this route won't get bumped. Whoala.

I-Form-Normal: Mid Attack (version 2)
I'm fooling around in practice mode with this play and I noticed something strange. When you shift this play to I Form-Big and motion the FB to the left, he: 1.) Doesn't get bumped, 2.) Gets wide open when he cuts to the outside. I haven't tried this online or anything.... but it seems to work damn nice.

*1.) Have either a good #2 TE (Donald Lee for Packers is perfect example), a fast pass catching FB, or a #2 RB in at FB.
2.) Formation shift to Big (Formation shift + down)

At the snap the FB angles in and is unbumped. When he cuts to the outside his defender gets caught up on the other receiver. The only difficulty I see with this play is your opponent making a play on the ball with the safety if they anticipate the throw. Try it out.

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Split Backs- Pro Spread: WR Corners
This is a good play because we can utilize a quick pass as well as other routes. Your opponent doesn't switch up his D? Plays that annoying loopline/BNR 2 man under every play? Use this a few times and he'll have to change.

1.) Hot route the SE on a screen route (make primary receiver, press down on right analog stick)
*2) For quick pass: motion the HB to the left. You HAVE to PRACTICE the timing of the quick pass here. You snap the ball before the receiver sets and immediately throw it high. If you have a good pass catching RB (Ahman Green-ish) then the jet pack animation will come up and you can get about 7+ yards. As with all quick passes, this is risky and takes real practice to get the timing and precision of the throw.
*3.) The other route we look at is the SL receivers curl route. This route breaks the bump pretty well and gets great inside position.

Beware of a MLB in the middle of the field. Practice on how to deliver the pass to the SL receiver. I set the play up the same every time (motion the HB to the left) but I HAVE to decide pre snap who I want to go to. If I haven't thrown a lot to my 3 WR then I will usually go with the the inside route. If I feel like a change of pace, I'll throw the quick pass.

[blondetom]

so far I beat a 328-128 guy a 103-48 guy using this playbook tonite. Also I got d/c in other games tonite b/c teams couldn't stop me. hehe.

[fcb1012]

what formation did you mainly run out of? I run about 65% out of far-twins tight. And the other % singleback.

[49erFanForEva]

Evad, you truly are a genius. I plan on printing all these plays out and trying them online tonight, wish me luck!

[GMONEY]

E:

That write up about the I Form Twin Slants is on the $. See I play in a league where dudes will sit on the slants and bring heat with BnR. But that HB mto kills that idea. What I've been experiementing with is leaving the TE in to block.

Kool post, I hope it keeps going.

[evad04]

GMONEY-

Thanks man. I feel bad, though, because I actually started using a different book. I know I'll probably come back to Seattle, but the game just got too boring using the same book for over a year.

I've been messing with Denver's playbook. It is by no means perfect (lacks some SB sets I'm accustomed to using, and it doesn't have a lot of effective runs) but its I-Form plays are great.

Plus I got a nice little scheme I created with using Shotgun 5 Wide, audibled down to I-Form close.

I might start a thread with some plays for that, but I haven't decided.

What I had hoped with this thread is that other people would committ some of their strategies. If I see a little more of that, I'll sit down and take the time to do more writeups.

Pleasant gaming.

[GMONEY]

Thanks man. I feel bad, though, because I actually started using a different book. I know I'll probably come back to Seattle, but the game just got too boring using the same book for over a year.

I've been messing with Denver's playbook. It is by no means perfect (lacks some SB sets I'm accustomed to using, and it doesn't have a lot of effective runs) but its I-Form plays are great.

E don't trip the Seattle book is not my first book this year. Besides learning other books usually helps you see things better overall, and gives you new ideas.

By the way, having the SB Drive play as an audible is huge. Nice attack in the middle of the field as well as the flats.

[maddenbowl62]

I like to use the SB Bunch play called Drivel. The HB is doing flat route towards the bunch side and it should be effective vs. man and very effective vs. the Bump.

[ttime172]

yo man this is some nice stuff its really helped me alot tough loss this weekend for the packers

[55vision]

hello everyone..i have a play that is stright money for against zone defences and even better against man without the safties playing over top. i want to see if you guys have the same luck as i do when i run this play.

Split Backs - Pro Spread: QB Rollout
1) put your runningback on a right out PS2(Triangle,L1,Right on D-pad)
2) Motion your Most right WR to the left (the one doing the C-route)

*With this play you can throw to three different recivers depending what the defence is giving you. The first thing you can do is hit your FL (your triangle reciver) on the flats this is great against cover 3 or 4. The next thing you can do is hit your SL (your circle reciver) who is doing the C-route. Now if the safty moves up to the field, this route can go for the TD because your WR will be WIDE OPEN, but if you see the safty playing deep, check down to your RB. The RB will be doing a right out and should be fast enought to get some seperation on any LB. During games with humans this play has always given me 5+ yards. *post how you like this play thanks guys

[35BigHurt35]

ok, seattle PB users....gimme your 3 best plays to beat the blitz......

[mddnplyr]

Can we open this thread back up?

[ballaman]

This play is money against man.

I-Formation Normal FL Post

I only make one change to it and that is to hot route the SE (Far left receiver) to a slant to the right(triangle, square, R2).

What happens is the running back will be a check-off in the flats to the right, our FL will run a long,deep post, our tight end will be on the right and will run an in route, our fullback blocks to the left and our SE runs a slant to the right. Hopefully our six blockers will give us time to wait for the tight end to make his cut and he will run underneath the slanting SE and the SE sets a pick for him and the tight end runs free for at least 10 yards. If they start putting a guy underneath where the tight end is supposed to be then make the fullback do an out route to the left.

Against the heavy blitz is where the RB comes into play as he runs into the flats. I play as the chargers and this runs very effectively because I have a good tight end and running back. If they have the flats covered and tight end isn't open then go deep down the middle with your FL. If done right then this play will beat any man coverage. I have tried it on zone and it doesn't work as effectively so if anyone tries this play out against zone and finds success, then tell me and I will definitely try it out.