Wanted movie

[sling]

Originally Posted by Warbuck$

No? A nobody is plucked from oblivion to be "the one." And he is trained by a wise black man and attractive female. And he lacks self confidence at first but eventually embraces his role. And I didn't say the plots were exactly the same, but when you combine the similar points I just mentioned with the majority of the special effects, pretty damn close. Listen, if you guys like it, that's fine.

You made one point, not "points". As a matter of a fact your point was about the plot and you later say that "I didn't say the plots were exactly the same". But aside from that, yeah I guess if you make your special effects like another movie, I guess your film is pretty close to that original. Special effects are pretty much the reason to go see a film right?


Theres only so many plots to choose from. Its how you diversify the film with its details and plot that make it different. That was my point.

Spoilers!!!!



Also without getting into the plot of the Matrix, the Matrix had nothing to do with someone random guy being plucked out of many and becoming the one. In fact he wasn't "the one" like the orginal suggested. The "one" is an anomaly in the program Matrix which is created every once in a while. It's purpose is to return to the source, reinsert itself into the source so that the "archietect" can readjust or reprogram the Matrix. This is done because there are many people who don't accept the Matrix that the machines have created, i.e the people in Zion. The matrix is then reloaded and a most of the people in Zion are destroyed except Neo and a few people who create "civilization" again. But, because of free choice, Neo decides to go a different route, and in the ned settles for a cease fire (peace) between the machines and the humans.

The Matrix - Sci Fi film based on various Biblicle stories, and revelations dealing with the Bible


Wanted - Revenge film.

The Matrix had nothing to do with revenge. It would be more accurate to related the Matrix to Terminator, and Wanted to Rambo.


End Spolers!!!

So you can see that the plot has nothing to do with it. Its only the special effects. So if it is just the special effects that are similar, I'm sure you can make the comparison of Wanted to many other films, not just the Matrix. Bottom line, don't use special effects to justify the similarities between a film.

[sling]

Originally Posted by Chomppig

I didn't like the second and third movies because they felt like they were rushed and I thought they went a little overboard with the CG. Not because I "missed the point".

Thats why I said most. They did in fact rush the films. Both were released in the same year. I felt that they could have made the series a lot longer, but the Wachovski brothers wanted the Trilogy, I guess.

The reason they went over with the CG was because Neo's powers were greatly increasing. As a result of that they needed the extra CG to show the effect of his power. But thats a matter of taste. My point was that both films, Wanted and the Matrix have absolutlely nothing to do with each other, except the special effects. But at least in the Matrix the special effects were justified. In Wanted its not really justified except if you reallise that the film is based off of a graphic novel. Than you can think of it as a superhero film.

[Warbuck$]

I'm not going to argue over this lame *** movie. Everything I said was the same in the films. If you want to argue whether Neo was "the one," go for it. Considering they called him "the one," I think all my points stand. Regardless, if you enjoy the film good for you. I couldn't care less.

[sling]

Originally Posted by Warbuck$

I'm not going to argue over this lame *** movie. Everything I said was the same in the films. If you want to argue whether Neo was "the one," go for it. Considering they called him "the one," I think all my points stand. Regardless, if you enjoy the film good for you. I couldn't care less.

I wasn't arguing about Neo being the one. My point was to show you that the plot between the two films are nothing alike. The only thing similar between the two films is the special effects. But if you feel using special effects to justify the two films being similar, hey thats for you. Because the only two points you mentioned were plot and special effects.


BTW Spolers:


If you watched the Matrix film Neo was never the one in the sense that he was suppose to save Zion and destory all the machines. If you watched the films you would understand his purpose was just to return ot the source and reload the Matrix. It was only by choice in the last one that he gave his life in order create a peace between both the factions. It was not the way anyone intended it, it was purely by his choice at the end.

[Warbuck$]

Originally Posted by sling

I wasn't arguing about Neo being the one. My point was to show you that the plot between the two films are nothing alike. The only thing similar between the two films is the special effects. But if you feel using special effects to justify the two films being similar, hey thats for you. Because the only two points you mentioned were plot and special effects.


BTW Spolers:


If you watched the Matrix film Neo was never the one in the sense that he was suppose to save Zion and destory all the machines. If you watched the films you would understand his purpose was just to return ot the source and reload the Matrix. It was only by choice in the last one that he gave his life in order create a peace between both the factions. It was not the way anyone intended it, it was purely by his choice at the end.

Ok, last post on this and that's a promise. Everything plotwise I stated earlier is still true. While the exact plot is not identical, the things that contribute to the plot are. If you want to wax poetic on what "the one" truly means, I don't see why, but whatever floats your boat.

So, to sum up my feelings, parts of the plot are very similar. The special effects are very similar. Er go, the movies are ****ing similar.

[sling]

Originally Posted by Warbuck$

Ok, last post on this and that's a promise. Everything plotwise I stated earlier is still true. While the exact plot is not identical, the things that contribute to the plot are. If you want to wax poetic on what "the one" truly means, I don't see why, but whatever floats your boat.

So, to sum up my feelings, parts of the plot are very similar. The special effects are very similar. Er go, the movies are ****ing similar.

Yeah I guess no one should go see Inside Man because they've already seen Reseroir Dogs, since both deal with bank robberies.

I guess if you've seen James Bond Films, theres no reason to see any Mission Impossible Films right?

What about the various superhero films whose plots, and special effects are similar as well.

You don't have to post again fine. But just ask your self how the plot is anywhere near Wanted:


Massive Spolers (Comparison of Matrix to Wanted):






Matrix:
- Lets just go by your opinion for the sake of argument. Neo is "the one", destined to free the people of Zion.
-Matrix has powers because he is "the one"
-Neo has an enemy who is not his mentor. Morpheus never back stabs him.
-The Matrix is not a comedic film
-The special effects in the Matrix are justified by the fact that they are in a computer program.
- Setting of the Matrix: Futurisitc, inside a computer program, in an underground city close to the Earth's core.
-Plot of the Matrix: Man is chosen to be "the one", only to find out he is not "the one", and finally gives his life for the rest of mankind, in order to preserve peace. (Theme: Matrydom, self sacrifice)

Wanted:
-Wesley is not the one. He is simply picked and used by the fraternity of assasins because they know the person they want dead will not kill Wesley since he is his son.
-Wesley has skill because he is trained by the assassins.
-Wesley has an enemy who is his mentor. Sloan did backstab him
-Wanted was meant to be a comedic/action film
- The special effects in Wanted are never justified. They only make sense if someone with prior knowledge reallise it was based off of a graphic novel and then thinks of it as a superhero film.
-Setting of Wanted: Present time, in some city.
- Man joins an assassin fraternity in order to get revnege on his fathers killer, finds out he was used, and gets revenge by killing everyone. (Theme: revenge)

I could honestly keep going, because the plots in fact are nothing a like, and in fact the sepcial effects are nothing alike either. Only the slow motion bullets, thats it. Again you don't have to respond if you don't have to, but I can guarantee right now you can't prove anything more than the fact that the special effects are alike (remotely). Pwnt.

[Chomppig]

I was reading an article about writing and story telling and the guy writing it said something that i found interesting. When you break down the plots of any stories you'll find that there are really only three different types of stories. 1) The Mysterious Stranger. Which is were someone or something enters a community. 2)The Quest. Which tells a search for anything. 3)The Genesis Stroy. Which tells the origin of something. You can take the plot of any book, movie or comic or any story and break it down and it will fit into one of those catagories. Every story has already been told its that there is about billion ways to tell each. I havn't seen Wanted yet but from reading this thread I can tell its similar to The Matrix in its plot's basic form. Its also similar to The Terminator, Star Wars and many others because its the same story told in very different ways.

[Coach Stag]

Wanted is loosely, VERY loosely based on a graphic novel.

After reading the graphic novel and them seeing what the movie plot was going to be I resolved to never pay to see the movie.

The graphic novel is genius, it's a story of an anti-hero, the nerdy office worker is trained to be a mass murderer, and arch-villian basically. It's dark, unsettling and wicked. It's not the nerd turns hero generic story-line the movie takes.

Do yourself a favor if you like excellent stories, sit down at a Comic Store, B&N or Borders and read the first 5 pages of the graphic novel. It'll be some of the most original story-telling you've ever experienced. I bet you'll read the rest (or buy it).

[A Disciple]

Originally Posted by dmac2brown46

saw it the other day and i gotta say, it was amazing, sweet fight scenes, special effects, angelina jolies butt, great plot...overall id say an 9 out of 10

a 9??? its worth seeing, but no way a 9.

Originally Posted by Warbuck$

I saw it about 10 years ago. It was called The Matrix.

na, this was Matrix Lite.

Originally Posted by ba3001

the movie was pretty good i think a 9 is a little high maybe a 7

Is there a movie Angelina Jolie is in that she dose not show her butt?

agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

Originally Posted by Chomppig

I'm I the only one who thinks the Matrix was overated? Don't get me wrong I thought it was a good movie (the original, not the sequels) but for all the hype it got?....meh. It came out when I was in high school and all my friends were like "this our generation's Star Wars" I was like give me a break.

i thought it was amazing personally.

Originally Posted by sling

A lot of people miss the entire point of the Matrix and only take it for its superfical meaning. Its also one of hte reasons why most people enjoy the first one more than the second and third.

A lot of people say such and such movie is like the matrix just because it has the slow motion bullets and action. The story in wanted has nothing to do with the story in the Matrix.

its not because of the slow motion bullets, but yes... this movie stole A LOT from the Matrix. Did you not see the guy jump across to the other building?

Originally Posted by Warbuck$

No? A nobody is plucked from oblivion to be "the one." And he is trained by a wise black man and attractive female. And he lacks self confidence at first but eventually embraces his role. And I didn't say the plots were exactly the same, but when you combine the similar points I just mentioned with the majority of the special effects, pretty damn close. Listen, if you guys like it, that's fine.

+10

Originally Posted by sling

You made one point, not "points". As a matter of a fact your point was about the plot and you later say that "I didn't say the plots were exactly the same". But aside from that, yeah I guess if you make your special effects like another movie, I guess your film is pretty close to that original. Special effects are pretty much the reason to go see a film right?


Theres only so many plots to choose from. Its how you diversify the film with its details and plot that make it different. That was my point.

Spoilers!!!!



Also without getting into the plot of the Matrix, the Matrix had nothing to do with someone random guy being plucked out of many and becoming the one. In fact he wasn't "the one" like the orginal suggested. The "one" is an anomaly in the program Matrix which is created every once in a while. It's purpose is to return to the source, reinsert itself into the source so that the "archietect" can readjust or reprogram the Matrix. This is done because there are many people who don't accept the Matrix that the machines have created, i.e the people in Zion. The matrix is then reloaded and a most of the people in Zion are destroyed except Neo and a few people who create "civilization" again. But, because of free choice, Neo decides to go a different route, and in the ned settles for a cease fire (peace) between the machines and the humans.

The Matrix - Sci Fi film based on various Biblicle stories, and revelations dealing with the Bible


Wanted - Revenge film.

The Matrix had nothing to do with revenge. It would be more accurate to related the Matrix to Terminator, and Wanted to Rambo.


End Spolers!!!

So you can see that the plot has nothing to do with it. Its only the special effects. So if it is just the special effects that are similar, I'm sure you can make the comparison of Wanted to many other films, not just the Matrix. Bottom line, don't use special effects to justify the similarities between a film.

you are taking it wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too far. the movie was very very similar to the Matrix. Just not as good.

[sling]

Originally Posted by A Disciple

a 9??? its worth seeing, but no way a 9.

na, this was Matrix Lite.

agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

i thought it was amazing personally.

its not because of the slow motion bullets, but yes... this movie stole A LOT from the Matrix. Did you not see the guy jump across to the other building?

+10

you are taking it wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too far. the movie was very very similar to the Matrix. Just not as good.

Elaborate please? I agree the film wasn't as good. But aside from the slow mo action it had absolutely nothing at all to do with the Matrix. I made my points. If you honestly did understand the entire film you would get that. I already made my points, in the comparison above.

Visit IMDB.com and go to the wanted forums. Theres already a huge discussion going around pointing out the fact that TOO many people are comparing the Matrix to Wanted for no reason at all except for the superfilcial reason of special effects.

If you chose special effects to be the sole reason to decide wether a film is similar to another you would have a huge listing of films that are similar to the Matrix. My point is people look too much at the top of the surface of a film and think they are the same, when in fact they are completely different.

Just look at the plot of both stories. And list the similarities. You won't find anything. The film was marketed to seem like the Matrix in order to get viewers, but thats all it is. It is a comic based, comedic/action film. Thats all.

[sling]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493464/.../110643095?p=1

Wanted is a revenge film based off of a graphic novel. The graphic novel itself was based off several superheroes.

Matrix is a philosophical movie that questions reality, political and social structure, and the role of fate and free will. It was based heavily off the Jesus/Antichrist battle is heavily discussed amongst Christians.

The Wachovski brothers literally take the "return of Jesus" story and embed it into a blockbuster film. Notice how Neo leaves Trinity before he sacrifcies him self for the rest of Zion. Just has Jesus left the holy trinity before he goes to his martyrdom. Notice how Smith embeds his code in others just as the Antichrist is predicted to place his mark on others.

Just a preview of the Biblical references described in the following website:

Biblical References
The films in the Matrix trilogy frequently employ biblical references to augment character development and suggest a significance greater than the mere actions taking place. On the plaque of Morpheus’s Nebuchadnezzer, for example, as part of its identifying numbers, is the notation Mark III, No. 11. In the Gospel of Mark in the New Testament, Mark describes large crowds who follow Jesus and are healed of their diseases. Chapter 3, verse 11 (King James Version) reads, “And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him and cried, saying, ‘Thou art the Son of God!’” In some ways, Morpheus parallels a Gospel writer delivering news of a savior. He is, after all, the first person to believe and declare that Neo is the One. When Neo disembarks at Zion for the first time in The Matrix Reloaded, afflicted crowds await him and treat him as a messiah, begging for his healing touch just as the crowds in Mark’s Gospel do. Though Neo isn’t necessarily a messiah, the biblical reference here suggests he embodies the qualities of one and presents a possible interpretation of his role.
Just before Agent Smith’s first appearance in The Matrix Reloaded, we see the license plate on the luxury car he drives: IS 5416. In the Old Testament, Chapter 54, Verse 16, of Isaiah, reads “Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire and that bringeth forth an instrument for this work; and I have created the waster, to destroy.” In this chapter, Isaiah refers to the Lord’s assurances that Zion, the promised land for the Israelites, will be victorious in future glory. He reminds his people that he created everything and goes on to reassure them that “no weapon forged against you will prevail.” Though we don’t necessarily need to recognize and understand the biblical reference in order to understand the Matrix trilogy, references like this one add a second layer of meaning to the films. They augment what we do know about the characters and add depth to the conflict, giving the films hidden meanings and reinforcing the idea that what we’re seeing isn’t all that’s there—more lurks beneath the surface, if we just know where to look, much as those who take the red pill discover an alternate universe just beyond what they know.

I strongly recommend anyone read this: http://www.sparknotes.com/film/matrix/ and especially the parts dealing with the themes, and philosphical influences.

As you can see aside from the special effects the plot is not the same.

If you like comedic/action films, Wanted is awesome. But it is nothing in comparison to the Matrix. The Matrix was a piece of art, not because of the action, but because of the philosophical meaning behind it. I admit I didn't udnerstand the film at first, but after watchin the trilogy a second time, and reading up on the film, it isn't hard to see that Wanted is absolutely nothing like the Matrix.

[Chomppig]

I would agree that the concept and theme of the movies are very different but from a story structure point of view their are similar.

[Thong Sniffa]

Jolie's Butt? I havent seen it because she doesnt have one. What she DOES have is an EXTREMELY beautiful face (top 3 IMO) and she is EXTREMELY sexy. That goes a lot farther than a nice azz.

[Iamonebigmofo]

Originally Posted by Warbuck$

Er go, the movies are ****ing similar.

LMAO reminds me of this :

http://wthimsaying.ytmnd.com/

[Dawknest20]

Haven't seen it, but from the commercials and previews i can see why someone would say it's like the Matrix. And after reading about the plot a bit, i can see why someone would say it's completely different.

But enough about wanted, on to something much more important. Only two weeks until The Dark Knight comes out