Nov. 3 2009, referendum on Obama

[sideoutshu]

McDonnel elected in VA
Christie with a huge lead in NJ

The American people are asking for a "change" allright. Obama getting elected may have been the best thing to happen to the GOP. His epic failure is going to lead to the fastest turnaround in US history.

[theanalogkid]

Originally Posted by sideoutshu

McDonnel elected in VA
Christie with a huge lead in NJ

The American people are asking for a "change" allright. Obama getting elected may have been the best thing to happen to the GOP. His epic failure is going to lead to the fastest turnaround in US history.

Christie is going to win because Jon Corzine is so bad. You can't do much worse, I don't think it has much to do with Obama just the terrible leadership of the sitting governor. I don't know which precincts have reported in so far, if Essex and Bergen county haven't started reporting, Christie has a tough road ahead he might not pull out with the win then.

[sideoutshu]

Originally Posted by theanalogkid

Christie is going to win because Jon Corzine is so bad. You can't do much worse, I don't think it has much to do with Obama just the terrible leadership of the sitting governor. I don't know which precincts have reported in so far, if Essex and Bergen county haven't started reporting, Christie has a tough road ahead he might not pull out with the win then.

True, Corzine i slime. But if this were 9 months ago, Obama showing up to speak for him would have been PLENTY. Not anymore.

[resnor]

Where did you see that Christie had a huge lead? Last I saw, it was too close to call...

[theanalogkid]

Originally Posted by resnor

Where did you see that Christie had a huge lead? Last I saw, it was too close to call...

AP has declared him the winner now.

[sideoutshu]

Originally Posted by resnor

Where did you see that Christie had a huge lead? Last I saw, it was too close to call...

It was big before the Newark area got counted.

[resnor]

Well, cool! I don't see how this ISN'T a referendum on Obama. New Jersey is about as blue a state as you can find...Corzine is slime, but they haven't elected a Republican in over a decade.

[theanalogkid]

Originally Posted by resnor

Well, cool! I don't see how this ISN'T a referendum on Obama. New Jersey is about as blue a state as you can find...Corzine is slime, but they haven't elected a Republican in over a decade.

It's been pretty evenly tied up for decades but it didn't help that the Republican candidates were crap the past two election cycles before this one.

For the past two decades the NJ governor has been the opposite party of the President.

[McMadden]

Man Obama is sick! Dude won the presidency and now tried not only to be governor of one state but two? WTF is he doing? Man! Dude is crazy! What would have happened if he became governor of Virginia and New Jersey? Thats to much power for one man to have. Thank god he was defeated in those 2 states, if he had won it would have been crazy, just crazy man!

POWER to the PEOPLE! **** skippy! Virgina and new jerseys represent-in like mofo's!

[Nevada_Ballin]

Just stuff to give the media something to talk about... 2 Governors? meh...


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[TheSphinx 2.0]

Not sure if it is a big deal, but the internals don't look good if you are up for reelection in 2010. Minorities and young voters are waaaaay down...independants shifting towards republican. Not good because it looks like they come out for Obama and not for Obama's friends.

For the moderate dems the risk that you read into the loss in VA as a statement on what "Obama can do for you in a red district". The way you get dems in red/conservtive states to vote for healthcare as it is currently crafted is if you can say "don't worry, Obama will provide cover for you during your campaign". However if it now looks like the Obama aura can't save you then dems might be less willing to step out on a political ledge for this bill.

I think dems need to figure out how to translate the "Obama love" to the ballot when Obama isn't on it. There are some big votes coming (one in particular) and if people start to feel like Obama can't save them then they are going to start slowly backing away from healthcare. Dems are in a tough spot after tonight because if they don't pass healthcare they lose the base and most likely 2010 but if Obama can't save them then passing healthcare (if it remains this contentious a vote) might mean they lose anyway.

Who knows how to read the results in PA...

-TS

[Gtrght77]

When you are as low as the GOP is, these kinda things make you celebrate. Though not all was good today.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/04/election.races/

However, the victories were tempered by the loss of a congressional seat in upstate New York held by the GOP since the Civil War, according to CNN projections.

Also not unexpected.

The outcomes, however, also followed recent trends. Since 1989, the party winning the White House has always gone on to lose the gubernatorial races in both states the following year.

But will we see more of this happening as the GOP moves more and more right.

A battle for a vacant Republican U.S. House seat worked against the GOP in upstate New York. The contest to fill the seat sparked a vicious internal fight between GOP conservatives and moderates.

The struggle was viewed as a proxy for a national struggle between activists arguing the GOP slipped by betraying conservative values and officials warning a rightward move would further alienate an increasingly independent-minded electorate.

The split resulted in the election of Bill Owens -- the first Democratic congressman from that region since the late 1800s.

[fatbaby52]

I'm not an expert on this, but I don't see any reason to conclude that the results were necessarily the result of people being unhappy with Obama. I do think it's too bad that Obama wasn't able to get more people out there to vote- One reason I thought it was great that Obama won was I hoped he would have a Tiger Woods-like effect on politics, and would stir inactive groups into activity. It doesn't look like that has happened yet.

[RicoVacilon]

Originally Posted by sideoutshu

McDonnel elected in VA
Christie with a huge lead in NJ

Hmmm. . . I'm not a lawyer, but none of those dudes is named "Obama."

This isn't an election for Obama. Don't try to make it one.

[sideoutshu]

Originally Posted by Nevada_Ballin

Just stuff to give the media something to talk about... 2 Governors? meh...


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You really believe that? I would think it is pretty obvious to everyone that these elections will affect the way moderate dems conduct themselves on healthcare reform.