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Old 11-10-2009, 03:30 PM
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I think he was operating under the assumption that Hilary isn't the second most electable democrat. I think his point was that you could substitute an unknown but clean-cut and competent generic democrat and he would have won the election. The theory being that the incumbent was so bad that people were voting for "not him", rather than actually voting for the other guy.
Correct... slip in any Dem name there that has a good rep with most people and Christie loses. Problem is, NJ doesn't have any.


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They liked Obama, hated Corzine.... pretty simple. Hell, I could have beaten Corzine.
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Yet they didn't trust Obama enough to beleive what he was saying about Corzine? hmmm

Stop making JJ statements please.
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Yet they didn't trust Obama enough to beleive what he was saying about Corzine? hmmm

Stop making JJ statements please.
No, they didn't trust Corzine enough to believe what Obama was saying. Been forever since I've voted in NJ but my family there keeps me in the loop a little bit for NJ organized crime, er, i mean politics.

They didn't vote for him and i probably wouldn't have either. Not everyone votes because of "party affiliation" nor does everyone vote because a sitting President backs someone. Sometimes you get that guy who just pisses the public off, regrdless of the party. When that happens, the other party usually wins. Has nothing to do with referendums, Presidential public support or whatever. Corzine was doomed to lose no matter who his opponent was.


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No, they didn't trust Corzine enough to believe what Obama was saying. Been forever since I've voted in NJ but my family there keeps me in the loop a little bit for NJ organized crime, er, i mean politics.
Kind of like Chicago politics huh?

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They didn't vote for him and i probably wouldn't have either. Not everyone votes because of "party affiliation" nor does everyone vote because a sitting President backs someone. Sometimes you get that guy who just pisses the public off, regrdless of the party. When that happens, the other party usually wins. Has nothing to do with referendums, Presidential public support or whatever. Corzine was doomed to lose no matter who his opponent was.
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Not true. The election was still pretty close, because NJ is so overwhelmingly liberal. It is funy though, how everything you are saying to take credit away from Christie is the same thing that could be said about Obama beating Bush.
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Kind of like Chicago politics huh?



Not true. The election was still pretty close, because NJ is so overwhelmingly liberal. It is funy though, how everything you are saying to take credit away from Christie is the same thing that could be said about Obama beating Bush.
In what Universe did this occur in?

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In what Universe did this occur in?

I guess other then the one you live in alone.
sigh....baby steps i guess.

You see gttright, the presidential election took place under a similar dynamic, where Obama won more for being "not Bush" then anything else. I was simply pointing out the inconsistency of pointly out one while failing to acknowledge the other.
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BTW, Corzine's personality would not have made a bit of difference if NJ taxes were lower...real talk.
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Kind of like Chicago politics huh?



Not true. The election was still pretty close, because NJ is so overwhelmingly liberal. It is funy though, how everything you are saying to take credit away from Christie is the same thing that could be said about Obama beating Bush.
meh, Chicago/New Jersey... not much difference there, same families been running shiet for years.

A lot of people did vote for Obama because they disliked the results of the Bush Administration, can't say i blame them. That's why party shifts happen in American government, isn't it?

"Guilty by association" is a strong voting message. GOPers lose congressional seats due to their ties to Bush. GOP lost White House due to Bush policies. Dems lose New Jersey due to Corzine...... and on and on it goes.


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Where did I say "having an incumbent governor most people hated lost the election support the referendum notion" ?

Plain and simple fact. NJ and VA went HEAVILY in Obama's favor in 2008. Now they went republican.

Obama showed up and campaigned aggressively for Corzine AND IT DIDN'T HELP.

Do you really fail to see the significance of Obama's voter turnout and support not being able to translate to other democrats?
I didn't say you said that, I was asking a question.

A lot of people only vote in the Presidential Elections and don't come out for anything else. If this governors race was last year, he might have won, just for the fact that more people turnout for those elections.

Perhaps Corzine was so bad, not even Obama could save him that doesn't mean those that people are voting against Obama, they are voting against Jon Corzine.
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Perhaps Corzine was so bad, not even Obama could save him that doesn't mean those that people are voting against Obama, they are voting against Jon Corzine.
Ok, then what happened in VA?
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Ok, then what happened in VA?
Tell us, what happened?


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Ok, then what happened in VA?
I don't know anything about VA to comment. I very much doubt unless you live there or get the news from there, that you'd have enough info to comment on it either.
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In what Universe did this occur in?

I guess other then the one you live in alone.
Rico? Could we get a correction here please?
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How does comparing perhaps the second most nationally recognizable and electable democrat in the country to a candidate for governor in the armpit of America "dispose of the referendum notion"?
As a New Jersey resident...I take offense to such terms.
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Old 11-11-2009, 04:46 AM
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Yet they didn't trust Obama enough to beleive what he was saying about Corzine? hmmm

Stop making JJ statements please.
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT OBAMA WHEN IT COMES TO OUR GOVERNOR! GOODNESS GRACIOUS...ARE CONSERVATIVES THAT DESPERATE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GRAB ON TO?

Keep this up, and 2010 will be a HUGE disappointment. Then you'll have no choice but to blame the media, like you did back in '08.

And Progressives, the fact that no one really cares who OUR president supports isn't much of a deal when it comes to local politics isn't a big deal, but it for damn sure will be a problem next year. Take care of the unemployment rate, and all will be well for you.
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