Everyone add KEVINT88

[MelloDrama]

It might be time for the Mello D and PSU to get it in.

[PSUEagle]

Originally Posted by MelloDrama

It might be time for the Mello D and PSU to get it in.

Uh oh You're always welcome to add me. I'll be expecting my toughest challenge yet.

And Gunna, we can get that lab in sometime tonight, probably after nine o'clock.

[Architekto]

Originally Posted by MelloDrama

It might be time for the Mello D and PSU to get it in.

That would be a great match up, but even tho PSU is known for his offense; his d is really good too. He is the most balanced player I've faced this year in regards to defense and O.

[GiantNFC7]

Originally Posted by Architekto

That would be a great match up, but even tho PSU is known for his offense; his d is really good too. He is the most balanced player I've faced this year in regards to defense and O.

Architekto in the house. The man of few words of the VG forum. I can't wait to play you when i'm on 360. What happen to your clown avatar that used to crack me up.

[Architekto]

Originally Posted by GiantNFC7

Architekto in the house. The man of few words of the VG forum. I can't wait to play you when i'm on 360. What happen to your clown avatar that used to crack me up.

got to represent with my team, add me when u get it; gt same as here

[GAV]

Hey Kev,

What do you think of the Tennessee O book?

[PSUEagle]

Originally Posted by GAV

Hey Kev,

What do you think of the Tennessee O book?

First tell me what intrigues you about it. When we played, I noticed that you run very little (any?) singleback, so obviously that's of limited importance to you.

I do think it's a very solid playbook. Nothing flashy about it, but filled with tons of functionial formations in the passing game. I like that it has Gun Trey Open, Bunch, and Snugs, as well as Ace Spread and Bunch. All contain a variety of deadly passing plays.

The thing you probably like, though, are the I Formations. I think this playbook is second to none when it comes to running from "U" personnel (2 TE's, 2 Backs, 1 WR). Tight and Tight Pair both have a full complement of Slam, Blast, Counter, Flip 90 (FB Fake HB Toss), FB Dive, and Power O, as well as Toss and Stretch plays. You can literally attack any part of the field with the ground game. I also like the straight drop back passing game from those two sets.

The set you'll really like, though, is I Form Slot. Knowing you, you'll sub your TE in so it looks like a regular I Form online. There are several passing plays I really like from this set. Corner Strike with the "C" route and HB cirlce is obviously one. I also really like Curl N Go. Hot route the flanker (B receiver) to a short 5 yard in. In doing so, you will have recreated an old Run & Shoot/June Jones concept called "Mustang." It's similar to a levels play, only the slot runs what is basically like a deep crossing route before he levels off to a depth of about ten yards or so. It's a great route against man, as well as many zones. If that's covered up, the short in coming behind the slot will probably be open. You also have the flexibility to block both backs in pass protection too, which is why I suspect you're such an I Formation guy to begin with.

Twins has some decent passing plays, like Curl Flat and Deep Out, as well as Inside Cross which you like, but It's not my favorite formation.

So yeah, good book if you like running the ball. In the end, I don't run it because I feel like the passing game is just too bland. I like throwing the ball, so that's important to me.

And by the way, I somewhat agree with you about my run/pass tendencies from the I Formation vs. spread sets. I do think I throw quite a bit from the I/Split Backs. I generally don't do a ton of running from Singleback/Shotgun, though. That's mostly because I don't trust the blocking against the pressure you bring, so I feel like I'd rather throw the ball. I will do a few things differently next time we play, though.

[GAV]

Originally Posted by PSUEagle

First tell me what intrigues you about it. When we played, I noticed that you run very little (any?) singleback, so obviously that's of limited importance to you.

I do think it's a very solid playbook. Nothing flashy about it, but filled with tons of functionial formations in the passing game. I like that it has Gun Trey Open, Bunch, and Snugs, as well as Ace Spread and Bunch. All contain a variety of deadly passing plays.

The thing you probably like, though, are the I Formations. I think this playbook is second to none when it comes to running from "U" personnel (2 TE's, 2 Backs, 1 WR). Tight and Tight Pair both have a full complement of Slam, Blast, Counter, Flip 90 (FB Fake HB Toss), FB Dive, and Power O, as well as Toss and Stretch plays. You can literally attack any part of the field with the ground game. I also like the straight drop back passing game from those two sets.

The set you'll really like, though, is I Form Slot. Knowing you, you'll sub your TE in so it looks like a regular I Form online. There are several passing plays I really like from this set. Corner Strike with the "C" route and HB cirlce is obviously one. I also really like Curl N Go. Hot route the flanker (B receiver) to a short 5 yard in. In doing so, you will have recreated an old Run & Shoot/June Jones concept called "Mustang." It's similar to a levels play, only the slot runs what is basically like a deep crossing route before he levels off to a depth of about ten yards or so. It's a great route against man, as well as many zones. If that's covered up, the short in coming behind the slot will probably be open. You also have the flexibility to block both backs in pass protection too, which is why I suspect you're such an I Formation guy to begin with.

Twins has some decent passing plays, like Curl Flat and Deep Out, as well as Inside Cross which you like, but It's not my favorite formation.

So yeah, good book if you like running the ball. In the end, I don't run it because I feel like the passing game is just too bland. I like throwing the ball, so that's important to me.

And by the way, I somewhat agree with you about my run/pass tendencies from the I Formation vs. spread sets. I do think I throw quite a bit from the I/Split Backs. I generally don't do a ton of running from Singleback/Shotgun, though. That's mostly because I don't trust the blocking against the pressure you bring, so I feel like I'd rather throw the ball. I will do a few things differently next time we play, though.

I'm suggesting that you look at it - since it has most of the stuff you killed me with in NCAA. In NCAA, I would sit on what I thought was your first read - and you just patiently played off of it. I had no clue what you were going to do. You ran and passed from any look - and you set up the edges with floods and power running - and set up the inside by attacking the edges with more than one option. In Madden, you established strong dynamics - but I had a grasp on what you were going to do based on your set. Even though you ran a ton of plays, you attacked the defense similarly - mostly at the seams. I'm about the same at NCAA as I am at Madden, so I think I'm a good barometer for judging where you are in relation to both games - and although Washington is a very strong book - I think it goes in contrast to your gaming personality. I think although switching to the Tennessee O book might involve some growing pains - I think it better matches what you want to do on offense.

All in all, I think your ceiling as a player is much higher than my own.

[Booker T316]

Hey Playa if you want to Lab! hit the BOOK up.

[rjmcc01]

This thread has me heading home to pick the sticks back up...good stuff in here. PS3 folks have set down the sticks for other games and for the first time since I can remember I'm in that crowd...hell I'm usually looking for games in june/july still and nobody is around...Shamefull.

Originally Posted by drunkenstarfish

I am glad to see that somewhere people help each other out. Maybe I should have went 360 lol. Seems to me the PS3 guys just don't help out like they did in the PS2 days. Hell you can't even find a lab game anymore. Good lookin out fellas.

That's cause nobody plays Madden...I'll jump back into it. Let me know if you wanna run one, I'm down to reteach myself how to play lol. Into AC2 right now...MW2 may be on the shelf for good if I get back into Madden.

Originally Posted by GiantNFC7

Architekto in the house. The man of few words of the VG forum. I can't wait to play you when i'm on 360. What happen to your clown avatar that used to crack me up.

Saw that too! We need to clown avatar back 100%.

[PSUEagle]

Originally Posted by GAV

I'm suggesting that you look at it - since it has most of the stuff you killed me with in NCAA. In NCAA, I would sit on what I thought was your first read - and you just patiently played off of it. I had no clue what you were going to do. You ran and passed from any look - and you set up the edges with floods and power running - and set up the inside by attacking the edges with more than one option.

You might have a point about that. In NCAA I only do a handful of things schematically, I just dress it up with a bunch of different sets. One thing that probably helped me in hindsight is the number of I Form sets in the USC book. With that personnel group, you have to respect the run, so you can't just play pass defense. The extra back also helped me from a protection standpoint. I always wished USC had more Ace sets, but maybe they're unnecessary?

In Madden, you established strong dynamics - but I had a grasp on what you were going to do based on your set. Even though you ran a ton of plays, you attacked the defense similarly - mostly at the seams. I'm about the same at NCAA as I am at Madden, so I think I'm a good barometer for judging where you are in relation to both games - and although Washington is a very strong book - I think it goes in contrast to your gaming personality. I think although switching to the Tennessee O book might involve some growing pains - I think it better matches what you want to do on offense.

You're definitely right about this. Part of it is that I am not a huge fan of throwing to the flats in general. Not because I think it's cheap, but because past Madden's (Madden 08 especially) basically scared me away from it. Also, most people you play do everything they can to protect the flats, leaving the middle wide open. You're a perceptive player, though, so you adapt to defend the area someone attacks most often.

There were a few plays that attack the flats that I didn't call enough, in hindsight. I thought the play of the game was that sack when I was in postion to score a TD early. I was trying to get the ball to my halfback in the flat (where he was wide open) but your pressure got there so quickly I literally couldn't get him the ball. I feel like if I score a TD there, it very well may be a different ball game.

Like I said before, I'm going to do a few things differently and see how they work out. If I still struggle, then I'll consider converting. I don't want to give up the Skins book because I'm certain that Split Backs will not be any playbook next year, so I want to use it while I still can. Next year's playbooks are going to be worse, IMO, with every team having more shotgun plays than they should (because John Madden personally instructed the development team to add more gun plays. We all know how EA reacts to criticism: overkill)

All in all, I think your ceiling as a player is much higher than my own.

I'm not sure about this. I have a really good grasp of scheme/concepts, but that's because I want to coach. My stick is absolutely terrible.

[GAV]

Originally Posted by PSUEagle

Next year's playbooks are going to be worse, IMO, with every team having more shotgun plays than they should (because John Madden personally instructed the development team to add more gun plays. We all know how EA reacts to criticism: overkill)

This is something I really hate to hear because I know it's true.

Give me a playbook with complete two back under center sets - or I'll quickly lose interest in the game.

[Rasdrizzy420]

Originally Posted by GAV

This is something I really hate to hear because I know it's true.

Give me a playbook with complete two back under center sets - or I'll quickly lose interest in the game.

I agree.I think theres way to much shotgun already in some pbs.Every NFL teams base offense is under center so thats what they should focus on.

But one of EAs big faults with madden is neglecting certain basic but important aspects of football.The d pbs,realistic momentum an line play for example.